How do you feel about being one of the few recipients of the Veterans Ombudsman Commendation?
Ray Kokkonen: Well, I feel very honoured. I feel proud. But at the same time I feel humble because I know many of the other people who have received this award, and I somehow, feel that I don't rate in the things that I have done compared to the things that they've done. But that's a reality, like I said I feel honoured, I feel proud but humble at the same time.